Approved For Release 2000/08/07: CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001-1 ORCON/NOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN NATIONALS GRILL FLAME PROGRAM SESSION REPORT CLASSIFIED Y: DIRECTOR, DIA REVIEW ON: -IA-P Jc>00 EXTENDED BY: DIRECTOR, DIA REASON: 2-301c (3 & 6) r 7, Approved For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001-1 7 Approved For Release 2000/ DP96-007_88RO00800~"00~~J ~3 SUMMARY ANALYSIS REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CC7'0 1. (S) This report documents a Remote Viewing (RV) session conducted in compliance with a request from SOD, J3, OJCS, Pentagon, Washington, D.C. The purpose of the session was to provide information relevant to the hostage situation in the U.S. Embassy compound in Teheran, Iran. 2. (S) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided as raw intelligence data and as such have not been subjected to any intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use of the information provided is the responsibility of the requestor. 3. (S) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document, Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated. 4. (S) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B is target cueing information provided the remote viewer. Approved For Release 2000/08/ "1A-KU1JUb-00788R000800580001 -1 Approved For Release 2000/08/07: CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001 -1 I RANSC I ~ It' I KNOIE VIEWING (H) SLSSION CC70 TIME #14 This will he a remote viewing session (edit f security). PAUSE Alright #10.5, the time now is,,,-5:00 o'clock. For the past few minutes you ve /en looking at a overhead photo of the eMha Sy COMPOL-Ind ill [Fall. I IV) X'C's want you now to concentr- c and focus on the aren identified as Area "J." When you feel that you are at Area "J," describe your location and surrounding to me, and IeL me know. PAUSE #10.5 Feel like I'm at the-ah ... corner of a building that's several.. ah ... several stories high. Brown- stone type, (mumble) construction. I ... ah ... I'm on a path that runs along this wall, the wall is to my +05 left. A little door ... a little (mumhle) overhang (MUmble), inset wooden door wiLh several little glasses in it and a small simple. . .,simple stoop ... small little porch up there. It seems it's roughly in the middle of this wall. #14 What's beyond this door? #10.5 The ... going on down the walk ... ah ... ends in... ah ... no, it goes around what I think is a low white wall. It comes away from the building. #14 1 want you to (jo to the main entrance of Lhis building, go into the building, arid describe what- you see. +07 #10.5 (Mumble) I'm. . ah ... in a veranda porch wiLh a fronL facing wal 1 , low th~ t 15. . 77T... it looks like ornamental brick. It has holes in it arid I can look ouT-rMT'M7Tr-ft--o4f this porch. Se7eral ... I ree-L 117~np are severmi-nali.nround, uhile pillars in this porch, which is ... looks like it's Cut into the building rather than projecting off of the building. Have the flavor of ... at) ... sitting chairs on the porch, like wrought iron or rattan, but they Approved For Release 2000108/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001 -1 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001 -1 look whil-e. #14 OK. I Want YOU to Lake i (jood look around you, ind PCMCnl[)Cr Outlooks and how it',-, arra)(jed, so we. can draw it latter. Now I want you to move on into the main building. Describe what you see inside the main building. PAUSE #10.5 1 am at a place (mumble) which 1...ah ... see a ... +13 the room feels offset to the right behind the porch. I-ah ... feel that along the left is a ... ah-Up stair case to an upper level. #14 Go to this stair case on your left and go up to the other level describing your surroundings as you (jo along, and let me know when you're on the upper level. #10.5 For some reason the ... an ... stair case is offset along side the entrance so that unless...go way Lip in a +15 corner to get on the stairs. I'm on the stair cast- of ... ah ... halfway ... I'll try to get a feeling of the... I will (mumble) up the stairs. Behind me is a window that must be on the front of the building at the foot of the stairs. I am ... ah-at the top ... of the stairs ... I am at the top of the stairs. I got a ... ah ... PAUSE I am down from the stairs, a short distance-ah ... to the right as though I walked off and gone right. +19 There-I'm standing in a hall of ... ah ... looks hardwood floor. For some reason ... ah...Lhe hall t 1~0 the right does not want to go as far as the hall to the left. Appears as though it ends closer to the stair well than the other side. #14 OK. Go to your left then, and as you go down the hall. . . +20 #10.5 Well, there are several Lhinos thOPC Such as rooms, it is a ways but riot, a far aways to the left. #14 Are there any people on the second level? 2 Approved FOFR61e4~i-6-2000/08/07: CIA-RDR96 79BROO080059071-1 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001 -1 #10.5 I'm lookinq for them r)oku. PAUSI Left and right side; I 'm being drawn there, attracted +22 to it. I've a feeling it's at the very end of the hall on the right side. PAUSE I have the feeling there's an outside exit off this hall, at the end of it, fire escape type thing. Not a room but a door at the end of this hall, second level or something. I'm trying to got into this room, but I ... I lost my focus ... so give me a couple of minutes. #14 OK. PAUSE +28 #10.5 1 have a room I would almost make a kitchenette. Appear to be several stainless steel sinks in a L-uniL in a corner, cabinet, table in the middle, very peculiar. I am getting feelings of occupancy, but I cannot get the people, as though that are eating something there, talking or reading or...a window in the back over looks some trees. It's very peculiar, illogical, hut it's there, I felt a ... ah ... white porclain refrigerator inside the door, anyuay, I'll work on it. Anything goes. #14 OK. Are you still on the second floor? < I' ve 0 #10.5 1 thil am. I sti I ave of height, I -h he ~h 'J- am c Iwstl' s ee he e I L: lo ing out the windows I see the upper ts of ng out h in do" I s t upp r t ees and not the lower parts. It-'s as thou itl a sa s th 0u a t ee ri d n0tthe lowe r pr s. It- a econdard kitchenette in a guest win some- e ond., d k tc henett e in a gue-t wIn -1ohi or ,ue st oos or smelhin n the e, thi or guest rooms or someLhin in the second/ e 1. ,e1 floor, lave lost myself to '1 00" , a, my the ... I don't know. 1/14 OK. The... +30 #10.5 1 have a man who is reading, I looked ... I'm getting the fe "I ing L~ Isis 7no being used to read so much as it is common area whelT people can go to read arid a ange of scen maybe a man at the end of the ta Ceear _ to reading, not eating and ... ap r p ah ... I e 6e rig any better in this session. sur ~C~ A Proved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RQR9 7W.RQ008.0058PO -1.. -T- - I "' - 51, : r - Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001 -1 #14 OK. Ali ... I wanl- yoti to forqcl- the second levcl, I want you to move down to the first. level. Th(,rc's a room down on the first level I'm very interested in. When you get down to the first level, let me know. PAUSE #10.5 Yes. #14 Alright. #10.5 I'm getting a feeling of some ... ah ... of a real living room type of place, warm Persian rugs and nice chairs arid things. I'm standing right off the foot of the stairs. #14 The room in this building that I am interested in +34 is the main kitchen. I want you to find the main kitchen and describe what you see, especially the number of doors and description of doors leading into and out of this kitchen and what's beyond them. PAUSE #10.5 1 ... ah ... PAUSE I feel that I am in the same quadrant of the building I was before, but it looks much larger. Under the stair well, make a left, down the hall. As you mak your left, I feel the dining area would be straight lVead. Down the hall to the-nearly the end there is a double door on the right, you go through the +37 double swinging door, you're in the kitchen. Standing inside that door, you look to your right, there is another double door which services the ,dining room outside that way. There, on the left, are a series-77-7-.arge aluminum refrigerators or ice boxes, or things like that, it's a relatively large bank of them. Cutting tables and things in the +40 middle of the room and I would want to say a single exit in the back left corner exits onto a small stoop /of two or Lhrec sLeps down to ground level. That is / the outside area. There is a ... to the garbage bins and things, I think, out there. It's a little uhite door, single white door with a single glass pane in the top and you can't see it from the back because it exits from the end. You'ld have to be standing right in the back corner to see it. (Mumble) and ... 4 Approved For-Re~ease,.2.00.0/08/07 : CIA-RDP-9-6-f-7.U.RO008005,8.00ni~rl,.-.. I Approved For Release 2000/08107 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001 -1 oh ... back in the kitchen to original place. From the double doors on the right to the dining room I've got ... those double doors have now become saloon/ doors. To the left of that is cubbard space and sink space. The layout is different than the other +42 place. In here, a-ah-window in the back, and a, oh God, I can only get the first (mumble) proportion. Ah ... sitting on the window ledge to try to look back at this (mumble). PAUSE +45 Ah ... this place is 3 (mumble) between a small, private kitchen and a bigger, industrial kitchen. It ... the thing that's confusing is I'm getting a mish-mash of ... of appliances. I have huge stainless steel refrigerators and a breakfast nook side-by- side and they're not computing. I've a feeling that there is 2 small breakfast table in the back and under the back window and it runs lengthwise, it's small, but it's lengthwise, and I've goLton a feeling that the bench seat ... it's bench seat type of arrangement and ... ah ... bench seat lays against the wall ... back against the wall, but exits, throughout it all they all remain the same. Ah ... the swinger door ... the hallway door has changed its nature, it appears a single, but large door swinger. The door to the dining area is a saloon door, and then there is the back entrance door in the corner of the building. That's all I'm getting. #14 OK. Before vie end the session, I want to ... ah ... I want you to scope out the building one more time and try to pick up on any occupants of the building, and when you felt you've satisfied ... at) ... the requirement on that, it's time to end the session. PAUSE +48 1/10.5 eX havo ah ... one non-friendLy in the living)oom. ear;*to he stand7~in t middle of he Nor. ,pp t Appears to have a weapon over h4s right shoul-C a n d appears to be talking to another individual U seated In a chair al-ongthe viall and under th ' S~aair case side. m still yct-UTtn7g--TM77"y I a man reading and it still;~Khc fee inj"t~S an upstairs area. #14 1 want you to take a good look at the man who's upstairs in the reading area. What I want you to do 5 Approved For Release 2000/08/07: CIA-RDP96-00788RO008OQ5800,0 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001 -1 is tz)kc ~i good look -.it him and try to idcntify him after the session in subsequent photography. PAUSE +50 #10 5 h...l think it's the guy with the beard. (Mumble) /Iel _0 fly away (mumble) ... he's the guy that popped into 's my head when I started to look at h* K, looks like Abraham Lincoln. PAUSE #14 Got it on? #10.5 Yea. OK, there's a window in here somewhere. OK, I had the feeling that the ... first of all, the first image I had was sitting by, as I usually do, I always end up on a corner to start with, I must have a fettish for corners. #14 Well, it gives you an option of going either way. #10.5 If you ever need anybody to work on a corner, I'm the guy. OK, anyway, looking along the back of the ... of a brown stone structure of several stories, the knobby lines that outline the building are to reflect the type of brick, it's like a rough cut stone is my feeling. Ali ... and it's got, You know, .ke an old mansion type structure, not ... not traight brick, but like brick stones, stone bricl- t I e that have been hewn out of stone, and they r he rough, they're bumpy, they have knobs on them, but they're flat on the top and the bottom, but the ... the sides of em, when you run you hand down the wall it's just bump, bump, bump, bump, bump. #14 OK. #10.5 Alright, someuliere in the ... roughly the center of this is a little peak d roof, back stoop type of all feeling, TK-.Sidewalk in front of it goes to the oThcr cnT of the building, some sort of a low, white wall that S(JUarcs off here, in the distance, -in(] the-Hie walk goes nround it like that; that's not a structure, L ,it' just a wall of some kind, that was my first imagey, and ot course you know, just trying to get in on the target. #14 Right. 6 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001 -1 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : ClA-RDP9&-00788ROO0800580001 -1 #10.5 OK. then you h,,i(i me (jo to. . . this is the garl)ncie here, this uas a bad first attempt at it. Then you had me go Lo-ah ... look ... well ... then I looked A the back stoop as I was going down that way. Forget that way. A little indentation there for a simple back door and it was wood and I-I had the feeling it had random windows in it like that, OK, and then here is the stoop, out like that, you know, there's several steps down. OK, and that's just ... that's just a ... a simple peak there, it's just that thing, that's all that is, and I'll call it back door with a question mark, cause of course I don't really know where I was, but the back, Scene 1, resembles what would be the rear of the structure ... what I would refer to as the rear of the structure. OK. Then you had me go to ... the main entrance, OK, I had a ... ah ... how do I describe this now, I'll just start with what the main entrance looks like, as far as I know. OK, this is somewhat elevated; here is ground level, OK. It's got ornamental brick on a wall of facing wall of a veranda. Coming down here to the/7- left is a stair case, OK, and there ... there ... OK, it's not very far offset on the left side, possibly just a little bit, like this. Alright, now this thing is in ... cut in, carved Out of the face of the building like, and that xvould go down there, and here, offset on the ... what would be the right, I had the feeling that there were two pillars, OK, and then you could see the other one behind it, OK, like that. You know, in a row. OK, like this, and that the door was here and possibly a window there, OK, it makes like a little veranda type of a shape. Looks pretty, doesn't it; I wouldn't mind living in a place like that. OK, stan * Q-Jung, J~ allks like th s. Some sor o- footing on this. Let's see, those c UM+--,46L- 0 foot 1n g 0 st a7ee e, about in a straight line. Here is the veranda wall ut I n a str ab 0 and there are, I don't want to do that yet cause I a d th 3r n r need to drau ... I have a hard time remembering what I :ne rau C~ ~o -1 4-- A-- -- T .4-- 14, 1, --- 4 - . T ---A 4- - -"~) draw other things, and you can see through this wall on the right, which is that wall there. There. OK, novi, to the baseline, there are some veranda type chairs out here ... ahm...not really nice stuff like ... ah ... wrought iron, and ... ah ... or rattan type of thing; what you'ld expocL in -in outdoor patio chair, you know, that type. OK, now that I've got that drawn in, there are several of them out there, I'm only gonna draw one; hell, I'll draw another one, what the heck. OK. Alright, inside, 5. 14hen I -Approved For Reie ISe-2000/0'8/07 :'CIA-RDP99--o 7 M000806686~6ir----- Approved For Release 2000/08/07: CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001-1 went inside, the first thing that I saw was a stair well, but as I went ahead and investigated ... a stair case ... as I wcnt ahead and investigated the stair case, then I ended up with a layout concept that looks like this overhead in 5. Stair case comes downs, there is a window here. #14 Why don't you label it? #10.5 That's what I'm talking about. When I said it's like being in a little corner of the room to go up- stairs, you have to walk and there's this damn wall there, something, which all-the only thing that I might, if I was to apply some logic to it, I would say that this is the porch area and here is the front door and this cutout thing is the thing that makes this little cubicle here cause that's where Sketch 4 might fit in, right there. But I don't know, I wasn't looking through walls, I was just inside by that time. #14 OK. Why don't you label that window so we don't confuse it with the door. #10.5 OK. And I had-these are the steps down, I had the feeling that there was several more steps down going around the corner and then you would go out and this is like ... living room, I guess. Living type room, OK, and this is stair well, stair case, upstairs. Right in here, possibly front porch indentation. Alright, that's the up stair case. 6, OK, you walk around that corner and around that corner is the up stair case, OK, and the banister. Actually, it should go 0-p-T-arther to get to-77-e-777-tling line, oh, that doesn't matter, the hell with it, I don't give a shit. OK, and back and under that thing is ... is the wall, OK, and this is-the feeling that there's a door here, but I didn't really see a door, I think. I really don't think I did. There, like that, OK. This continues on up in the foreground and then about ... that's this little bump here looking down in there. OK, make that a little bit higher, and it just disappears to the roof, through the ceiling. OK, feeling that there were...now,.OK, I'll compile, because when I came back down stairs I got these /Juibs; I got a rug area, mellow brown and very nice A Louis XVI type of furniture in here, you know rea-1 nice, cTut) fooMea n-rce chairs -at kind of stuff-with a big sian rug on the floor, all nice B Approved For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001 -1 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001 -1 and warm, OK. OK, ruy. Nice. . -ah ... you know, really nice ornatc, luxurious Lypc of' furniture, club footed ... ah ... French Renascence type of stuff, nice deep, lush Persian rug, and that type of thing. Ah ... OK, anyway, I didn't ... I wasn't paying that much attention to furniture, you know, the where positioning of furniture...OK, upstairs to No. 7. 1 went up the up stair case, or maybe it was up the down stair case, and the view then I ... when I came out I was riot at the head of the stair case, I was a little bit offset to it. I had the feeling that this was the stair case landing there, arid there was a hall that went down, like this. OK, and at that time, I nlready had felt that there was a door at the end of this hall, OK, like that. OK, this is where the stair case comes up, 0K. Now, about that time you started mc working on people, and I was attracted to where the "X" is right at the beginning and then I sort of stopped and I sort of looked around a little bit more and this feeling to go to the end of that hallway down there was the strongest so that's where I went, OK, but in No. 8 what'll I'll do is I'll do you a little overhead-A that time I think I mentioned the fact that the hallway to the right was not as long ... didn't seem to he as long as the hallway to the left, it was as though it was blocked off or was different somehow, so what I end up with is a feeling of hallway that is maybe that long there but much longer down here, OK, and that there are rooms here, OK, but that the end ... What would be the end of the hallway is actually ... is 2 room in itself, OK, and that's why it makes the hallway, you know, shorter on that end, cause the hallwny's part of the room, where as down at this end I have the feeling ... this is second floor ... second ... I'guess I'll call it second floor, I don't know. This is the stairs, OK, down here it's as though there are rooms all along the hallway, OK, and... and you just ... you can walk, spit right out the end of it, and that's why the hallway appears shorter on the right.-U-rm orT'the-tE-ftj---GX-, arid don't put any ... the numbers of rooms here are just a shag, 1--did not actually count or talk numbers, but it's as thau-gh there are a number of rooms on each side of the halr- to the lert, OK, alright, 8. Alright, 9 will get to N.,-the end room where the "V is. I'll put the "V in 8 Alright, in this place, and it was ... I really, I got the flavor r, ighL off the bat that it was a kitchen, is-ahm ... how am I gonna draw it, OK, I'll draw it as though I`m from... I'm looking through the door, OK. 9 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001 -1 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001 -1 #14 Or would it be easier to draw it as an overhead? #10.5 Uh ha. #14 You know, and ... #10.5 It probably would be, I think I canget everything in that way better. #14 Yea. #10.5 OK. Windows there, door, alright, now, walking right inside I had the feeling of a refrigerator size thing, white porcelain, OK, and that to the left of that then was counter space that had stainless steel sinks in it, OK, and then that there was ... the counter continued on with overhead cabinets hanging over it, OK, and I don't know where it went from there, OK. Alright, the dominant thing in the room in this layout, though, was that there was a table, rather long table, and I had my man ... I ... I don't know where he was ... it was as though when I was standing in the room I could look across this table A him, like he was on the other side of the room, and there was at least one, and ... hard to ... hard to say if there were any more than one in there. Ah ... at first I thought it was like a breakfast or a snacky scene, but as I worked on the rest of the kitchen to get the layout it ... it just sort of naturally fell into being a reading ~-ype of thing, OK, that's the layout there. I guess that's pretty obvious that that square is a table ... rectangle is a table #14 Yea. #10.5 What's down the left side? I didn't really pick up anything except on the right side, looking around the room this way. Refrigerator right by the door, sink space under, you know, hencaLh, cubbards beneath, typical kitchen type 1,1YOUL. Overhead s Lu r r. I didn' L get any other really important facet; I didn't get a stove or ,inyLhing like LhaL either, which is sort of surprising. It could be anywhere if it's in there. OK, going to 10. About that time, you told me to go to the main kitchen, and ... ah ... (laughLer) ... that was ... that sort of brought a little comical ... chuckle from me, you know, like, hmmm what do ya know, that's what the special 10 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001 -1 7, Approved For Release 2000/08/07: CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001-1 room is (laughter). #14 Right, except you were in the wrong kitchen. #10.5 Huh? #14 You found the kitchen, but the wrong one. #10.5 Yea. And that was interesting too that I was attracted to a kitchen upstairs and then turns out I U3S supposed to be in a kiLchen all along, OK, well anyway, let me see, I went back out, I'm trying to keep continuity instead of, you know, not knowing where the other main kitchen would be, I had to go back to the start point and try again, at least that's vihat I felt I otLa do. I went back down the hallway, hung a right, and went doun stairs, swung around the stair case, all this happened really instantaneously, I got to the head of the stairs and I was immediately down in the middle of the living room floor and that's when I picked ... OK...that is when I picked up the idea of rugs and Louis the XV chairs, and everything. OK, I was sort of lollying around in the middle of the ... middle of the living room trying to figure out which ... where, you know, where a main ... where a main kitchen is, you know, and I was attracted right back, only on ground floor, I was attracted right back on the same azimuth that I had been before. Back into what I said on tape n ~~Pe n I'm in the same quardon of the bu* OK. S ~ingOK S I ended up o -T--I-=- S-~ ~-r ah and caa h .. band I'll d an over head for this. I'll al I c 9, I'll call this second floor, OK. o. 10 I'll call ground floor - kitchen. OK, as I swung around the corner to go on Linder the stairs on my path, I had the feeling that on the right was dining area, and a large dining area, an entertaining dining area, you know, like a ... not just a regular old dining room that ... that I would e, you know, family type, but a big place, righ . - ...not a cafateria size, but ~1.. where one could on-er wha t I mean, you know, OK. #14 Rather large place. 11 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001 -1 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001 -1 #10.5 So I'll put this thing in ... in, OK, here's stairs, alright. Stairs go upstairs, here's the hallway. OK, I had the feeling that the dining area was offset ... offset. There really was no hall here and that the hall began somewhere clown here. There is the feeling of ... there, like this. OK, this is dining, this is swinging doors, this ... I had the feeling coming back that this was one swinging door, OK, and this is a standard door. Let me get through this thing here real fast; this is window. AlrighL, ow) to the left I had the feeling of several large ow -Frigerators, OK. A feeling of a ... this is a henc,111 R re; I was sitting on the windowsill at one time r rying to figure out what in the hell all this stu f a sy as (laughter); like a little gnome peeping in Lh indow, you know, what in the hell is this, and.. In ... sort of a longish breakfast ... it was a weird C posite of ... like I said on the tape, industria C and home type thing, you know. OK, like a breakfast table, benches; bench, bench. Ahm ... and ... and ... all ... and then I had the ... because it was this idea of it, this industrial, this big entertainment, re1* Igger p ig~,Op.ace, bigger p a W ore crvc potential any more people here tha - J -inue average kitchen, I had th'-s cont d feeling f an alongated cutting table with all sorts of para hern ia chef Zwo EMM132tho~an ... paraphernalia hanging clown, you know, lik chef h an overhead rack with his knives, and his forks, and his spatulas, and his pots, arid his pans hanging down over top of this cutting table. #14 Right. #10.5 OK. These swinging doors on the right like this might be here off this dining kept only coming up right...f@r right corner. ah ... 1-the ... I was sill looking at the to myself, now that's your cooking area. are getting bigger. doors ... when I saw the swinging I checked to see if there was ... out and there mgith be an in down room, but there wasn't. I ... I with the one door here in this OK, and ... ahm...alright... down here sitting on the window standard door feeling and I said ~ very weird place to have your ... I had the cooking area ... the rats #14 Speaking of gnomes. 12 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001-1 Approved For Release 2000108/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001 -1 10. 5~~(c~i . Ih(, cooking h(~re j!; I ikt~ i grill, it'!; Hot 71~~ Stove, it' S a grill - I ha(i the feeling, you know, You knout the kind, you have to scrape it off with pumice. It's just actually a flat metal sheet type of grill. Next to these big stainless steel thinys that I called refrigerators or ice boxes, there's these big ... the feeling was these big resturant ice boxes, you know. Alright, arid on the right side, here, was ... ah ... I'd ... I'd have to say that it was ... all I can tell ya is that it was a low counter of some kind with overhead stuff. Arid that's the layout. That's all I got. Now, this door is in ... if everything goes right, this door is in the back left corner. As when I was talking about the door, I made some comment that you could not see it from the back of the house, you'ld actually have to come down to the.. . vell, f rom my Sketch I ... OK ... in my Sketch 1, you would have to go all the way to the other end, down here near this wall, and then if you looked around the corner of the house, then you'ld see the door right there, OK, but You Can't see it if you're just in the middle of the house, you have to go down there arid look. I didn't have any feeling for any kind of an overhang or little roof or anything like that, it was just sort of like a take out the garbage door and load in the goodies door. #14 Service door. #10.5 Ser ce door, yea, right, right. Alright ... ah... Yo asked me to look for other people in the house, 0 d t a. the only other people I got before going back pstairF to check out the quy that I had seen, was s w /Phe t al" he living room scene agair~, OK. OK, here's a window, and here's this hanister that comes up ... in do~ t e , there's the banister, OK, and then there's the h 'T P stair way coming in this way, alright. Was a big Persian rug and a guy with a weapon that was pretty much hidden by his arm. #14 Did you have any preconceived ideas or ... of the... this building, its function or ... ? #10.5 No, I ... I don't even know what the building is, I don't recall, it's been so long-we've been working on this thing so long, I don't know what I may have 13 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001 -1 PP Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800580001 -1 heard ill Hic p-,v;L. #14 J)o you have ally - - .,,Fly ideas ... ah what tYPe Of building or what it might function as now, after viewing it? #10 (Mumble) with a weapon and this guy is ... ah ... it is a curious cross between a public place an a residence. I have the feeling it is a residence, but it's some high MUckity-mucks residence, -arid so it's got all these-and its got 811 this exl.ra ... 9- d not find in a standard residence. Other than that, I on know. It looks like a place built for affairs, you know, not sexual, but party affairs. Arid ... ah ... OK, here is this thing, I had Lhc feeling that there was a person sitting over here in one of these really nice Louis XVI jobbers, right, and he was talking, OK. That's it, that's all I got. #14 OK. #6.5 OK. I asked you to look at some photos, and you picked Out the photo of Gary E. Lee. 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