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#66: Okay, this will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0950
hours on the 20th April 1984 with
Okay, as you have requested, I'm going to show
you a series of pieces of information and that you
feel you require in order to attain some attachment
with the subject at hand. I'm going to do this
slowly with your prompting.
SG1 I
Okay.
#66: The first thing I want to show you is a picture of a
missing individual, this picture is several years old
and is the picture that was used to make his
identification badge. So this picture is several
years old. That is the picture used for his
identification badge.
SG1 I
Okay . ...... I don't know, when I say I don't know, I
have times , sometimes extremely hard to put in, this
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person, when I say apparently simply means that it is
so, it's just the way that I'm speaking. STAT
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#66: That appears to be correct.
SG1 I Okay. I want this picture, and right now, please
tell me if I'm wrong with you people, I am freezing,
are you?
#66: It's so cool in this building, but I'm not freezing,
and I Ive got short sleeve shirt.
SG1 I And I'm freezing. So I just want to make that note,
STAT II'm just giving you how I work, okay.
#66: We understand kinesthetic impressions.
SG1 I Okay.
#66: Okay. Now, something I failed to cover before we go
on to the next is, our three principal questions are,
where is he , how is he and who captured him or a
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various version of who captured him, who do we go see
to get his release? Those are three primary
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SG1 I Okay.
#66: Okay. The next thing I would like to show you is a
picture tha-t was provided quickly by the kidnappers ,
12 days ago, approximately 12 days ago. There was no
note, no ransom demand, just as though they were
saying to us, we have this person.
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#66: All right.
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#66:
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Yes. ..... I'm going to ask a question, so it could
be a back relationship. You did say there were five
people, were the five people with him?
#66: We don't know whether or not they were all together
at any one time. I have the pictures here, if you'd
like to look at them, of the other four.
Okay. It's just that I keep seeing a man in a
building, or let's say a room, I'm placing him now
there, okay, there are others and when the number
came was five and just wanted to make sure that I was
not being influenced by the five people that you were
telling, this is what I want to make straight.
#66: Do you feel that the number of 5 pertains to all
hostages or captives or are there other type of guard
personnel?
SG1 I
These are, see, it appears more like guard personnel,
because of the image come, you know I'm visual and
(mumble)--
#66: Yes, I understand.
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--is that the person was dressed something like
f atigue s, but I don't want to call them fatigues,
okay, that kind of dress, with a gun, put the muzzle
over the, down over the shoulder.
#66:
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#66:
SG1 I
That appears to be correct.
Okay. And he, they are, but there are five of these.
Five people with guns slung, muzzle down over their
shoulders in a fatigue like dress.
Yes, yes. But I don't see the five, there's only one
that comes out to me as the model and I just wanted
to make sure that I was not mistaking myself with the
other at this moment.
#66: All right , very good. That would appear to be
correct.
SG1 I
	I can tell	you that this man's given no information
	whatsoever.	But	the breaking point , I	feel that if
	he has any	more	of what they're giving	him that would
	be more emi	nent,	that, he will not give	in and that's
	going to be	the	strong tie and that's	very close, I
	have to say	that	and I'm saying close,	I'm giving you
48 hours.
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#66:
You're saying that he is not healthy?
Not healthy and whatever condition , you know the
aspect here. I merely saying that I see that within
48 hours,something is going to happen to this person,
okay. I'm not death, I'm not saying anything, cause
he's at a break very low point, so that's what I'm
#66:
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#66:
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#66:
trying to say.
Okay, there's eminence involved?
They have refused any medical attention to this man.
........ All right , I see streets , but they appear
Eminence involved , on your side as well as the---.
like cobble stones to me, not tarred.
That's possibly correct.
And the houses are low and he is not hidden in where
you'd be looking in a hiding place. He's actually in
some kind of village or town.
That would appear to be correct.
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SG1 I I also see a squared door and the houses are made of
brick or stone and you would go into this house with
something like this up. This guy keeps this thing
going, instead of going straight up, straight into a
room, it appears, when I go into my, I'm going to go
in there and there is a window that I want to look
through to give you some direction of where I am.
#66: All right.
SG1 I Now, I can't tell you which country yet, all I'm
saying that these are the impressions that I'm
getting. ....... There's a small. sentence that he's
sending. 'There are words that I cannot grasp though,
but it's meaningful to you and the words are
(mumble). There would be four, five words, six
words, it's a short sentence. I keep he--he keeps
repeating this and I don't know what this means.
#66: Can you sound it out and write it out?
SG1 I I probably will once I get--
#66: That's fine.
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SG1 I Okay. I know it's a short sentence, it's like a
message, but yet it's,..it would mean nothing to
any ... if I was to hear it, it meant nothing to me.
#66: But we may be able to find that out. Understand that
he has been contacted in this means before and he may
at the subconscious level now realize that he has
link of communication here.
SG1 I ...I might ask you one question. What if there're
children, what do you know.
#66: According to our records, he is unmarried.
SG1 I He's unmarried. This , the reason I asked that woman
came into mind , is there , do you know anything about
that?
#66: We have some information from before that he wants to
talk about a woman, can you pick up any--?
SG1 I It's something like, when you ask, Irene or Ina, or
short again, something to that effect. Either it's a
nickname or, I'm giving you (mumble) by phonetics.
#66: Yes.
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#66:
seems to be some woman that he seems to want to talk
Ask the question when I'm in contact with him more
fully. I'm going to work by contacting within him
primarily and then, cause this seems to be strongest
link that I have with him now.
Yes . He has previously wanted to talk about a
woman. I don't know if it's a romantic, but there
about.
SG1 I
...... Question. Either, it's about the country or
about him, but I hear a foreign language, does he
speak a foreign language?
#66: We believe that he does speak a foreign language and
he is in a foreign country. He may speak many
foreign languages, or several foreign languages.
SG1 I
Because foreign language came fairly strong.
#66: Can you get a feeling for the style of the foreign
language, is it an asian language or romance
language, guttural?
SG1 I Yeah, that will come to me--
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#66: Later.
--When you said g6tteral, I get the cold feeling so
let's reach toward that. .......... At one point ,
wherever he was, whether it's there now, I see myself
high on a hill or at least what appears to be high on
a hill, overlooking something below. Do you follow,
if I was high, and then it would be like a city below
or something to that effect.
#66: (mumble).
... I'm just putting this together so, you know,
because I don't what---
#66: 1 understand that you're trying to get your anchor,
your, contact, so that when you go contact
him--(mumble).
Okay. What else do we have'from this point?
#66: 1 can now tell you where he was taken from and the
date and that will at this time reveal the city.
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SG1 I Okay The first, because of my contact with him so
can be personal and it's rare that I ask this, and I
will, I want his full name so that I can pronounce it
and if there was a nickname given to him I would like
to have that too.
#66: All right. I do not know about a nickname , however
his full name is William Francis Buckley. He was
born on the 30th of May in 1928 in Medford,
Massachusetts.
SG1 I
Okay, that's all I need to know. So, ah ... repeat the
name again one more time please.
#66: Mr. William Francis Buckley.
SG1 I William Francis Buckley. Or sounds like the
Buckley. Is he the same person?
#66: No, he's not.
SG11 I didn't think I, okay, William Francis Buckley, okay
I have it.
#66: All right.
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Okay, then. Where was he last seen?
#66: All right.
Where was he kidn .apped from and then where was he
last seen?
#66: Those would be the same question, same answer. He's
last known to be and last seen in this place and he's
been gone since.
SG11
In Massachusetts?
#66: No, I'm sorry. I now show you a part of a city map
from the city of Beirut,. Lebanon and his residence
building is as indicated on the red dot. He was
taken from this location at approximately 8:00 in the
morning local time on the 16th of March in 1984 and
he has not been seen or heard from until
approximately 12 days ago when the picture you had ,
and there are many concepts and ideas. I have a map
of the entire country as well, if you like? He may
or may not be still within this.
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SG1 I Let me see the map of the country. Boy that's been
my whole background. ................ Want to do now
is, some of the things that I do to verify for my own
self, if he has left the country (mumble).
.......... I'm going to ask you one question, where
was the picture delivered?
#66: To the British Embassy in the city of Beirut. It was
slipped under thedoor.
SG1 I Um, um. Okay. Cold chills, the man is still with .in
the area. There's no need to search any other
country.
#66: Okay, you feel he's still in the country.
SG1 I	Lebanon.	Okay.	City, not sure, but I'm going to
	have to	work an	that now.
#66: Now, because of this sparse data we have, I want to
tell you that map that you are looking at obviously
doesn't show every little town and village that are
around and there're are many, many of them.
SG11 I know Lebanon, cause I lived, well not really lived,
,but this is the actual, it's may ancestors (mumble),
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happening there.
#66: Yes.
SG1 I So I can give you a better description, more than I
have now and apparently my description was (mumble).
#66: That type of--
SG1 I Part that type thing.
#66: All right, now I do have a map of Beirut.
SG1 I Would you?
#66: Yes . Well, I wanted to explain to you that I don't
want to front load you.
SG1 I No, no, no. (Mumble)
#66: 1 do have a map of Beirut, but I don't want to front
load you and say this is where he is , because we
don't know.
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No, no. That's why I want to, that's why I said you,
all I'm saying is this. I'm saying that I know he's
in Lebanon, but I can not tell you whether he's in
Beirut or not, okay.
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#66: All right.
Okay. .............................. At this moment
according to the map, I do not find him in Beirut.
#66: All right. That makes our intelligence problem a
little more difficult, because detailed maps of other
places are very hard to come by. We'll be very
dependent upon you then for geographical
descriptions, once you contact him.
Yeah. Let me put it this way , I have to assure you
that , there will be no dif ficulty , he is not in
Beirut , the message I was getting while in contact ,
I'm riot in Beirut center, Beirut, but I'm not too far
f rom there , okay , so what the message came to me ,
don't be looking for me in the mountains or, you
know, whatever the aspect, it is still a civilized
area where yo u would not suspect, okay, but it is not
the city of Beirut.
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#66: In the city proper, like you consider downtown.
SG1 I The city proper, yeah that's what I'm saying, but it
is within the vicinity of Beirut.
#66:	Whatever the word vicinity means at this time.
SG1 I	Right.		
#66:	Okay, I think when we're in	contact with him, we'll
	be able to	find out a little	more information.
SG11	Ah ... can I	have his picture,	I'll look at this.
#66:	Which one,	you'd like both of	them.
SG1 I	I want the	one, yeah, please,	both of them . ........
	I want it	recorded a small	word being sent, it's
called, is EL, that's, you have AL here but that's
not the word I hear, I hear it more like E L.
#66: That would appear to be like much other information
that's been recorded. What are the words following E
L?
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Apparently this sounds like EL HYBIT, I know Arabic,
but I'm not getting the sound properly, maybe I
should wait til later so that, because if he's
pronouncing it right , I will be able to give you the
right or as close as I can , since I know Arabic
(mumble) The language barrier here will not be a
problem for me.
#66: If in fact he speaks Arabic and I don't know that for
sure.
SG11
SG1 I
Yeah, but tie may pronounce certain words (mumble)
#66:	1 understand, I understand.		
	But at least what I'm going to	be finding is that
	when I do hear certain things,	I'm able to	pick up
	certain things, it will be very	much simpler	for him
	since I know the language. I	never thought	I would
	run into something with my own	language. I	want it
	recorded that word EL HADIT, HADIT, I do kn	ow that
it's a place in the mountains, but this is not what
it is here, okay, it is not, EL HADIT isn't here, I
know there is a place outside Lebanon called EL HADIT.
#66: Can you spell that for our typist, please?
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SG1 I Okay It would be , I know, the Arabic , and I
pronounce it also. EL-HADAT, as well as I can write
it from the Arabic.
#66: It's pronounce EL-HADIT.
SG1 I I don't want you to mistake EL-HADIT with the region
of Lebanon that's the area where message's coming
through, that, you know, something EL-HADIT, where he
is.
#66: 1 want to be clear about,y,ou say, that we shouldn't
be mistaken.
SG1 I There is a place called EL-HADIT, it's in the
mountains.
#66: And you're sayi,,ng this is not the place.
SG1 I This is not the place. NI'm still remaining within
the area of the area, not Beirut, but what do we know
about Beirut today.
#66: In the strong area.
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SG1 I Strong area, he is not in the center of Beirut, but
in the outskirt of Beirut but still not far , so you
people will not have to go climbing mountains or, now
it comes familiar to me, when I said something high,
okay , with (mumble), few, because I know that
outside, you know, close by (mumble) , if you look
close seems to appear and you see the water in some
of this. I'm presenting now logic over the knowledge
that I have known, if you hear that from the room,
remember that, because I'm familiar with the
terrain. It does not effect my work, in fact it
enhances it.
#66: You know when it interferes.
SG11 Yeah, I know when it interferes.
#66: Okay, that good.
SG1 I Okay.
#66: You think we might be what you call the outskirts
then of Lebanon.
SG1 I Um, um.
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#66: And the word EL HADIT comes to mind , but not the
mountainous region of EL HADIT.
Yes. El HADIT could be the name of a man. It could
be, you know, EL HADIT, you know, could be the name
of a street.
#66: Okay.
Okay? I don't know at this point.
#66:	Maybe when we contact	him, it	will become	clear.
	Yeah. You know it's	strange,	but I have	to say that,
	all of this happened	with me	before and	I'd like to
	the information that	I got,	when this	happened
	before. I'm not sayi	ng past	life.	
#66: 1 understand.
I'm just saying that somewheres in the (mumble), all
this happened before.
#66: What you're saying is that you -having engaged a
little, experience about being involved with this
honest problem.
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SG1 I Yes , and you being there , now I recall why you came
back to my mind. Now remember just one more thing.
Or I hope to God I'm not too late. I don't whether
that's worth anything better, just if you (mumble)
this is de-ja-vu, something close. Something close
(mumble). Okay, anything else that I need.
#66: You remember his name?
SG1 I Yes. William Buckley will be enough. His age would
be like 50.
#66: He was born in 1928.
SG1 I
So he's 54. 1 can find out about this woman, the
link with the woman. sometimes I may be
speaking fairly low when you're monitoring the tapes,
just say, I actually can not hear you , would you
repeat.
#66: Yes.
SG1 I Okay. There is at times when I'm really in the scene
or involvement as an observer (mumble), as this point
my voice becomes very, very low.
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#66: 1 understand, we've dealt with the problem before,
and we have very good quality equipment for that
reason.
SG1 I	I'm ready.		
#66:	All right.		
SG11	I'm going to use the bed.	I'll lie down and (	mumble)
	I'd like to be alone and	I don't need the map,	I will
	go over there and make	a contact. And with	the
	contact with him then he	will tell me certain	things
	that of terrain and ask	all the questions you	want,
	please do not be--		
#66: Okay, you'd like to be alone in the room.
SG1 I Yes, alone.
#66: And I can talk to you through a little microphone or
headphone.
SG1 I Or a headphone , I can wear them unless you have an
intercom, whatever you will use is okay with me.
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SG1 I ....................... I am slightly outside of the
city of Beirut. This means I'm in the outskirt, but
not in the center of the city of Beirut. Where I am,
the street is a flat street, it's not ah..climbing
street, that means it's not a hill, the street is not
a hill. It is flat. It is a narrow street and what
appears to me is the people living there are lower
than middle class people. Again by outskirt, I don't
want you to think I'm miles away. From this street,
it's. ..it is not from the street. But from the
window, going in and I'm going up and if I was going
to look out of the window, what appears to me and I
have to say appears to me, I keep seeing either lower
streets . ......... it's like I'm on one street and
there's a street lower than me where there are
houses , if I may use like steps, at least at this
area of the outskirt of Lebanon. ..... I see way out
in the distance, it is apparent, I keep, water comes
to my mind .... at a far distance, by far distance I
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it's the ocean or a swimming pool or something, there
is water. And there are trees ...... ah ....... An
Arabic word which I don't know the definition as well
as I know and maybe colloquial or sounding like this,
even though I know Arabic, it doesn't make sense and
there's some words that doesn't, SHAHALIEH, if I was
to write it phonetic , SHAHALIEH, would be S H A L A
Y, that is phonetically spelled, SHALAY, S H A L A Y,
SHALAY. ........ It relates to the, something in
regards to the area. .......... I'm going to go back
SG1 I into the house , It is apparent that the
dialogue with him .............. I have to add here
that I have now found what the gut, the,....that
voice that does not, or the, what it sounds, was gut,
I can't even pronounce the word, harsh voice or not
romantic sound. It is apparent to me ah .... that how
would I put it, ah .... the voice I was hearing is a
man, not from Lebanon or the area. The guttural
feeling or the guttural voice that I hear is giving
me a connection that a country, ah ..... hm .... What I'm
SG1 I experiencing, here is a man well dressed in one
scene, oh, I'm sorry, well dressed in a uniform and I
will come back to the uniform and then a man dressed
as the person there. But he is not Arabic in
speaking voice. And I have to say the connection
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guttural, it's not German. Trying to think of other
gutteral voices. It's not, I have to put that this
person, whatever connection he has here, I would have
to put Russian and that is quite apparent with what I
call the double vision , that means position and how
he acts now and if he was in his regular environment,
he would be wearing a uniform and looks to me quite
Russian. Now these are not the people you have to
deal with, because I don't know what he's doing
there, and that's that gutteral feeling and I'm
getting the, those cold chills again, extremely cold
chills at this point. ......... Do you know anything
SG1 I about kilometers, Yes . What would be, he's
trying to say something, what would be , how many
miles would 125 kilometers be? I just want to make
sure I'm in contact here. ..... Okay, then I'm not
getting him correctly then. ....... Let's, the
number, how about 25 kilometers? 12 kilometers?
.......... Okay. ............... I'm going to have to
interpret what he's saying and I...,,don't know from
where, from what direction he was taken to the
outskirts of Beirut, okay? I can tell you this, what
he appears to him saying that it could not be more
than 12 kilometers. You follow that? Kilometers,
okay. Ah .......... Please keep also in note , that 1
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through 5 , he keeps repeating 1 through 5. He keeps
repeating, 1, 2, 5. ..... It's not a number like 125,
it's just says keep repeating 1, 2, 5. And he's very
firm about. ................ Ah..shifting again, ah,
I keep seeing close by to this street or section ,
which is slightly outside Beirut , that he keeps
repeating, a (mumble) of what I'm getting that he's
not away from there, but, and the reason that he was
moved or went there is because of the aspects, the
middle of Beirut, and I'll try to come back to that.
There's a lot of noise that I hear around this street
and the noise is like if they were, it's not gun
shots, nothing like that, as if they were doing
repair or construction, or machinery. But I don't
see them, I only hear the noise from the room where
he is. .............. Another sound that he's heard
once in a while and he says he feels that it's like a
plane, but he's not sure. ......... Oh boy.
........ Okay. I was brought here ... in something,..I
was brought in a vehicle completely closed and
therefore I have seen nothing, but I can only report
to you the sounds of my surroundings. And some of
them are extremely strong to my ear. ....... I can
also hear people talking .... outside when I am brought
close, or close to a window. It is the only window
which ah .... which.-I can recognize. It is apparent
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that in the other room the windows have been blocked
or covered, so I can not tell you what I am seeing
behind me. .......... I tell you that I have three
people with me 24 hours a day. ...... These people
change .... at times there are five people. The reason
that I know this is when I'm, want to go to the
bathroom and at one confrontation, there were five
people. ...... Among themselves the people are
speaking Arabic, but I not they. are not people from
the country. ....... My perception of the person at
this point is that they have a dark skin. They are
not a white skin. ..... When I say my perception , I
SG1 I meanI perception, off the person, in stuff
like dungarees with gun. .... The persons , and he
says persons who ask me a lot of questions,
... boy. speak fluent English with out a trace of any
accent. ...... They have certain information that it
is apparent that someone gave them, which is of ......
crucial importance ....... and they feel that I
know ... ... .... I'm thirsty, they don't give me much
to drink. They don't give me much to eat. I've gone
days without eating. At times I can not even hold
myself to walk. Several times a person has been
brought in, ...I am not sure what his capacity is, he
did not examine me as a medical doctor, but
apparently gave evaluation or ... because I do not
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understand what they are speaking, but it's only my,
my sense that they were wondering how ill I was.
............. He shifts again and he says ..... go
northeast. ..I............. This is what I'm asking
SG1 I him, He's giving me no answer. Ah ... Ah .... I'm
getting chills here and I have to , I I m trying to
grasp something. ....... I don't want to miss this
point of information, I'm, I've got fr-eezing
elements, cold. Okay. are you aware where he SG1 I
was before he was at this point? ......... You know
what he's trying to tell me and I'm not able to grasp
it, but I'm hold to stick with it for a while. He's
telling me the time which should be important to you,
but I don't from where. You know how many minutes it
took, you know the way he visualizes it, where, you
know, where he is. ......... Okay. ........ I SG1 I
must go back ask you questions about the kilometers.
Are you with me? How long would it take through a
city and I'll tell you why after, because to travel
12 kilometers ......... What did you say about 25
minutes? ........... About 25 minutes from where ever
the point is, but it's still just on the outskirts of
Lebanon, but I'm trying to find what he's trying to
tell me, where was he, you know, was he picked up
from his home or ........ yeah ............. Okay. I'm
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going to answer , not the question you just asked , but how long
he feels it took, okay. And it's apparent that it didn't take
him more than 25 minutes. At least to his time right now and I
don't know what that means. He's trying to give me his position
where he is now. Do you follow that? That's right in time so
that you would, but I want to find out from where now he comes.
................ I don't know what you know but what he tells me
you seem to apparently say several, but to me it isn't, two
place twice, he was moved twice. ...... Okay ..... okay ..... Can
you ask two a question that will help me. The two that
returned, were they in the middle of the city of Beirut? Or do
you know? Yeah, Yeah, well whatever way we want to look at it,
yeah. And what did I tell you he told me to go what ... go north,
what was it that I told you , do you remember? You can,.. All
right. The other people were where? I'm trying to grasp
something from him and I need some feedback. Where were the two
redeemed from, where were they in the city? A little bit to the
south of Beirut. See this is an area that I don't know. I'm
trying to find out why he says north. I'm going to take a SG11
break here, I want to go back to the map, do you mind? And then
I will come back. There's something that bothers me. Okay .
Would you come in and detach me, please? Okay. I want to make
some observations with you. The area and the construction that
comes to my mind, you know, as I'm looking, now this is from,
this is clairvoyant now at this point as we're talking, it's not
where I'm, you know.
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What came in could sound like voice means something
when you repeat to me. How would I put it , on one
side or a corner of where he is, but there's like a
board , boards or f ence or something but 'it I s like
it's boarded, it's not barb wire fence. This is
clairvoyant now, I'm not there I'm just giving you
some clairvoyant information. Ah..and there's a
flattening area. Now let me explain. Roads, when
you said, I said cobblestone, residential and
apparently this residential place and then I see
something where construction is going, let's put it
this way, and there's like boards, at least,
apparently there would be danger for someone to fall
or it has been boarded in.
Is that in this building that he's in?
No, this is outside this building now.
Someplace else?
No, no. I'm picking up some clairvoyant scene from
outside the building where he is so it will give us a
description of where-
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#66: The general area.
--- the general area, okay? ....... Again, psychic
impression, I don't know what you people have done or
how or who's looking for him or whatever this is, I
can tell this much, that-how would I put it . ......
I don't know who you have there an,d who would be in
charge and I don't need to know. It's just that I'm
saying is that somebody has gone by where he is, does
that make sense? That's all I'm going to say.
#66: 1 wouldn't know whether they have or not , but it
could be checked on. Let me see if we can't clarify
that perception. And there had been a random passing
by this area or is this an area that has been
officially looked into in some way?
SG1 I
I, it's a random, random meaning not thinking that he
could be in this area. I don't know whether they
have looked in the area, you know, but I see at least
one person which, you know, I see this one person
going by there and this person has something to do in
finding him or something that related to that.
#66: But simply discounted it.
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#66: All right. That's a good piece of (mumble)
SG1 I And they ultimately discounted it psychically , I
feel, because it was a lower area, living area.
#66: Lower class?
SG1 I Lower class. They were not rich people and they were
not middle class people, they were lower than that.
I wouldn't say, I can't say they're poor either,
that's not what I'm saying. Apparently the house is
not, you know, what I can see of it, the walls, the
rooms or whatever it is, it looks like somebody could
rent that and you know, so that's another psychic
impression of what I'm seeing. So it might give you
some idea of the area. Any other questions you want?
#66: Is the neighborhood itself noted for anything?
SG1 I Ask me that when I'm under again. What I'm going to
do, I'm going to continue to (mumble) as you said,
SG11 ry to get as much information out of him.
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#66: Okay.
And then we will we know the condition of his
health, we know the other questions that you asked.
#66: Perhaps you can be a comfort to him, knowing that he
is in a dire state and he's rather desperate. Try
being a comfort to him, warm up to him and then go
deeper, beyond. Act as an agent yourself in relaxing
him.
SG1 I
Okay. Okay. Whenever you're ready, I will be. ...
.................... I'm back where he is, I'm back
with-him now . ................. He is sitting on the
floor . ........ I'm sitting next to him . ..... I have
a sense that he is aware that I am with him. I've
asked him to relax. ............. Deep in his
consciousness he has a great concern-that he will
be moved again and he feels if this is done, it will
be much harder ... ah .... his concern is that when he
moves, not if , when he moves again, he will not be
able to survive the ordeal. I've gone through so
much now. ...... o....... The compass direction (end
of tape) that I have given you that I'm still
northwest, west, northwest, northeast,... directions
that I've given you, as far as I can determine, you
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are in the right direction. ........... At this
SG1 I point , I heard the word, not from him, but I
don't know from where, the word is EL KAFLA and I
don't know how to spell it. EL KAFLA, if I were to
spell it, I would say KAFLA, but I'm not sure.
...... . My perception of this is all I can give you.
I'm trying very hard, since I have not seen daylight,
which I really don't know what it's like. I hear a
lot of sounds. ..... It's very..rare ... the voices I
hear, I do not understand. ...... There is now a
disturbance or interruption by one of the guards.
What I'm getting from the subconscious of the guard
is the same which I'm getting from William Buckley,
apparently they are waiting, to move him again or to
release him. He's unconscious from the guard.
They're anticipating some kind of orders with an
immediacy, that means very near or close by. They
waiting for some immediacy, something immediate to be
some orders very shortly or whether they are going to
stay,there or not. It is apparent to me , now AT is
speaking, okay, from what I can gather, that if they
are to move him, it will have to be within from today
here, from Good Friday, before Sunday. And the
reason behind this is the season of Christianity that
-they are in and it would be less observed than on a
regular time or a regular day. Now, I say F-1 but I SG1 I
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seem to be picking up, that also in the consciousness
of where I am. It doesn't make sense to me, but I'm
just giving you what it goes, so. It's an Arabic
word that I'm trying to, that I got from the guard,
that is not clear and I'm trying to have him repeat
it to me or at least think about it so that I can
pick it up . ................... The reason I'm silent
and I go back is that the guard is thinking about
something and I'm trying to ... get into that
consciousness and how do I say this, penetrate it,
get into it and I'm getting syllables but they're not
definitive enough so, just hold on and I'll keep
going on here. .................. One of the words,
it's apparent something is going to be taking place
SG1 I
or already has, The word, one of the words is
MUSHALAH and if I remember my Arabic well, it means
ah ... you know, I hope it's done. So something has to
be done here, but, I'm trying to get the rest of the
words , what is to be done, and@ that's where the
hesitation is . ........ 1. It is apparent to me from
his subconscious, that they're waiting at this time,
I don't know what time or what day this is, for some
kind of change with William Buckley. That is what
I'm pickin-g up from the guard. This change means
that decision has to be made whether he remains where
he is or they are to take him to another place. The
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decision will be made if they have been able to
received all he had, information they can. And how
close he is to have , that he will be alive or not
alive. And it is apparent to me from the
subconscious of the guard, is that they can not allow
him to die. That if they did and that is the whole
thing about this, that they, in fact the information
sent back to wherever the headquarters is, "Look, we
can't hold on to this guy too long, if this goes on
he will die. And if he does it means we are going to
have problems." William Buckley senses this also.
SG1 I I have a sense that you have a question , you
want to ask it? Are you asking me if there is an
immediate headquarters within the elements of Lebanon
or are you asking from the head, head, headquarters?
........ And it's within Lebanon, within the city of
Beirut? ..... It is in Beirut ..... It is in Beirut ,
the people are distinguished people, they are not, at
least the one I'm relating to right now, although
they are, let me put it this way. There is someone
dressed in normal civilian clothes which is directing
this whole operation, even though there are soldiers,
or what appears to me as soldiers , within the
vicinity. Any other questions you would like, SG11
...... No, in and around where this other person is,
also . ....... This person, yes this man would be that
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person. I also have an insight from this man, SG1 I
that some messages are going to be sent to you
people, very shortly in regards to his release and I
just hope to God it's not his death. Because the
conversation that I'm getting here is in regards to
the release. Um, um ............. He speaks Arabic
and French and they speak other languages. He has
been within Lebanon for a long time. He is, what
SG1 I appears to me , about 50 years old or maybe a
little less, but not older. I can't imagine him be
older. But age sometimes is very deceiving to me.
Ah ...... I'm going to give you the message that comes
SG1 I 'to me, okay, the way it's read. Contacts wil 1
be made soon , contacts will be made soon. It is
apparent to me, at this time, that no one from this
end can make the contact , the contact will be made
from the other end. And for the reason, of the
security of this person, who no one would ever in the
world suspect , that he is helping , no , that he is
betraying Lebanon. So the person is of a high
official. Go ahead ask your question, ..... SG1 I
................... I'm getting cold chills here and I
want to know what that means, so be , hold on a
second, let me see what comes in. ....... I'm having
SG1 I cold chills, I'm .going to have to ask you a
question. I'm back to normal, not in the out of
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state here. I am at a loss, because I don't know
what they would bargain for. First of all, it's not
money, two, I don't see, at least I'm being logical
here, I don't see where we have information that this
person needs, but I'm just sorting this out to you
now and I don't need any response on it. The chills
are here and the information apparently is going to
be decided of whether, they're afraid this person is
going to die or not. And apparently a message would
be sent where to be found or that in some way would
be found or would be led to where the person is
without involvement of, anything. Is that, that's
what the impression I'm getting from that person,
now. Do you understand that? ........... The answer
is yes. And there's a cold chill here meaning, yes.
But this man, you can trust him, boy, the cold chills
again, what is it, come out . ..... I'm going SG1 I
to say something that will be very helpful for you.
This person is known to our American Intelligence or
government or so forth as a politician or a person in
a special place in the Lebanese Government.
..... Before you ask that question , I have to , there
are chills here and ..... again, a chill. This person
will probably show himself as , if it is a visible
sign , all right , cause there are two things involved
in the mind of the person, and I'm not trying to
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confuse you, but please ask the question. On one
side they're trying to say to me, "All right, we'll
just leave him there and we'll tell them where, send
the information." okay. Or this person that I'm
seeing, although is related to this whole kidnapping,
which no one knows , will say , "Well , I can help you
or I will go as an in between to release your
person". Do you follow the two concepts that I'm
getting? ....... I'm not able to comprehend your
SG1 I question, would you repeat it again please?
The answer is yes. Well , of his position in this
whole aspect of Lebanon. It doesn't make sense to me
but that's wha t I'm giving you. ......... All right,
it's done. He won't answer that one to me. Let me
try to see if I can get into his subconscious.
................... Boy, he's a hard nut to crack,
he's so strong. Would you record the word, NHAMAMAH,
N, phonetically, NHAMA, MAH, NUSHM . I may pronounce
it wrong. It's true that I know Arabic, but
I've been away from it so long, for so many years,
but at least I'm familiar with the sound of the
language, so I'll have to leave it as such for you.
NHAMAMAH may have something to relate, with the
person, you know, this person that I'm in contact
with. I just want to make that known. Yes, yeah,
but I, psychically I have a feeling it has to do with
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him. ..... No, go ahead and then if I need to come
back, I will. ......... To me the answer is yes. At
this point, as I stand now, the answer is yes. As I
stand in the future, the answer is yes. Do you
understand what I mean? I only dread one thing,
okay, I only dread the sanity that will have left for
William Buckley. Yeah. He was aware of that when I
was sitting there with him and now I'm going to, I'm
going to do something that I do, I'm going to SG11
send energy, not just to William Buckley, but I'm
goin.g to send energy for the release of Mr. Buckley
and to be found, in whatever shape we can find him in
the best of health we can with what we know. That
has worked very, very well with murder cases and so
forth, so every time I'm at a stop, I do this. I do
this now, the energy is sent that Mr. Buckley be
found and be found very shortly, meaning as soon as
possible. I just want to reinstate that I do not see
Mr. Buckley in the city of Beirut , but in the
outskirt. The place is not a high class place. It
is apparent to me that they chose that place as to
where the others were released as to deviate or to
misdirected in case they thought that this was the
area, that you know, others would be. Why they've
done this, I'm not sure. If you're asking me whether
Mr. Buckley again to repeat will he be found, the
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answer is yes. Will he be found alive, the answer is
yes. 1 just want to say what Mr. Buckley is saying
to me, to get to the construction. The noise that he
hears is like construction noise. And one other
thing that a plane from time to time would go over
that area and implies that that is important, that he
hears. He does not hear planes all day long. But
what he says sounds like a plane, I have to say that,
I'm sorry, I don't want to misinterpret what he is
saying. He is also saying that he has been sending
directions, but I also feel from my own presence to
him, there's a lot of flaps of things within his own
mind and I'll leave it as such. Anything else that I
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can do, Okay. Yeah.
#66: That light is pretty sudden isn't it?
No , that I s okay , something. . . what did I say , cause
the word, okay. There's something, this is Friday,
would it be, Saturday there now or would it be Friday?
#66: 1 don't know which way the calendar goes for them.
Their Friday, being Muslim, their Friday's their
holiday, I believe.
There's a slight note that I remember about moving.
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What did I say in regards to moving him?
#66: You said that there was some consideration about
whether they would move him, that's the guard was
thinking moving him. But when we went to the man
with civilian clothes, he was talking about making a
decision in two ways, whether or not the information
would just come out that go to this place and f ind
Buckley , or he was going to volunteer to work as
intermediary , but h e is actually is the person in
SG1 I
charge.
That's not it, about timing.
#66: You said movement concerned maybe having to do with
his illness. Say again, Bill.
SG11
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Something about timing.
#66: Timing is between, now and Sunday.
We've got to watch that closely and I'm getting the
chills on that.
#66: Okay.
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SG1 I Apparently it s a time something to ' do with
religion, something to do with year. At least--
#66: You said something about Christian religious holidays
or moving during the Christian religious holidays or
something.
SG1 I Ah ...
#66: Between Good Friday and Sunday.
SG1 I Yeah , let me , can we be in contact , in some
way, I know it's very tricky, over phones and things
like this. Because a lot of that information may
come back to me or you may have--
#66: Further questions.
SG11 --- Further questions.
#66; We can make those arrangements.
SG1 I There is something that I have not fully grasp, and
that has happened in the experiments with the police,
also to know I can make a second comeback on that.
It's too bad I have to leave tomorrow morning. Let's
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talk about it as we go here. You see, there's always
information that comes when as I'm driving and things
like this, but I don't want to jeopardize the
security.
#66: 1 understand , all you have to do is give us a call
and we can get on an airplane or do one of many
things.
SG1 I
Yeah. Oh , you can give me a call also , if you have
certain interest and just say when do you think you
could be free, you know and nothing, I'll understand
or some kind of code.
SG1 I
#66: Okay.
I have to tell you something , I'm still leery
whether my phone has been tapped or not and for those
reasons I have not been talking with and so
forth. The -reason behind this is that I have
followed and really approached by quite a few number
of people which are not American people.
#66: Okay, we can make arrangements and you can always go
to a pay phone and we can make arrangements,
communication arrangements, that's not a problem.
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And I've told that to and then I told that to
some other people, not in the meeting yesterday, but
to some, to General. It is a concern.
SG1 I
#66: Well , because you are so visible in the news media
and have worked openly with the police, I would
imagine that you would be very visible.
I want also to make another statement that I made to
the General and I want you to take it as it is. I'm
afraid that other countries and I want you to be
careful with the psychics you are involved with,
because of other countries approaching psychics.
#66:
SG1 I
#66:
SG1 I
#66:
Um, um.
For information.
On the psychic plane or--
Or on any plane , whether they are working and
(mumble) (mumble) things like this.
Um, um.
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SG11 When I told that to the General, he understood, but I
also hear that the General is leaving.
#66: That's correct.
SG1 I And I'm leaving that information with you, in case he
did not tell you since you're pretty much here
involved with this. I'm not trying to throw
suspicion, but I want you to be careful. Because I
have strong psychic evidence that this is happening.
You may also know something about it , but I just
warned for the record.
#66: Okay, good.
SG1 I I want to go to the bathroom. W@ken Iwork I have to
.rush to bathrooms.
#66: Okay.
SG11 Let me get my glass case over there, yeah.
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SG1 I The guttural feeling of the voice I heard and that
I'm going to have to straighten out what that means.
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#66: Okay. When I said what foreign language is it you
hear, the question is whether it was guttural or
romance, asian.
SG1 I
Because Lebanese is very soft, so I'm going to have
to see who these are, since guttural means something
quite strange.
#66: Okay. I'd like to review just one more time. Where
is he, which means to us, describe his location, how
is he, means to us, describe his physical and
psychological condition. And who are his captors and
most specifically, not necessarily the soldier type
that's standing next to him, we don't need to know
his name, but who is the responsible individual that
we might be able to negotiate with.
SG1 I
Okay. When that has come in that says that I see
black, so something dark, so the people are not, I
want put a chinese or part of face. That there's a
dark, by dark I'm not sure if it's black, but the
skin is dark. (mumble) so that I can also give,
would you, I don't remember much of this. When I'm
in there, put me back into the scene , can you do
that, you remember enough about that.
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SG1 I So that I can, I make a (mumble) by putting me back
into the scene.
#66: I'll get you started in here.
SG11 All right. You want to turn your tape off.
#66: You all wrapped up here. mumbles, mumbles, bang,
mumbles. We can go back outside and look at the map.
SG11 I said to go north what again?
#66: Northeast.
SG11 How would that fit in here now, if we were looking-
#66: The point is is that north is at the top of the page ,
but when you say go northeast, we don't whether or
not he's telling us to go northeast from Beirut or if
you go from where I am, northeast you'll find
Beirut. The data bit is too small to make any sense
out of it right now.
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captured somewhere's in here.
#66: Right in this neighborhood.
SG1 I This isall'Beirut still and here too.
#66: That's correct. And as any city sprawls over time.
..... Now , I want to tell you something at this point
that kind of validates some of the things you said
that I didn't tell you before. The other people that
were recovered were blind folded the entire time. It
may be that he is blind folded the vast majority of
the time that he is there, which is going to make him
very disoriented, but make him only able to hear as
you recorded. He only says he can report things that
he hears. But it is going to make him very
disoriented.
SG1 1, Well, see, I see him even worse than this.
#66: He's in bad shape.
SG1 I And I, see and it's trying to get what he's trying to
tell me and part of it is by telepathy.
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#66: Yes, I understand.
He's able to think, but this northeast baffles me
because where I'm standing--
#66: Okay, I'd like to talk about two approaches that when
you refocusing on it--
Okay.
#66: one is go beyond what we define telepathy, go down
into his subconscious.
This is what I'm doing by telepathy, this is what I'm
doing, that's where most of the information is coming
from.
#66: He may know more down inside him than he is
consciously aware that he knows.
Okay, oh I see what you're saying, okay.
#66: So, go down inside him, beyond -his present
environment, beyond what he consciously thinks he
knows about-the place and then the other approach is
can you by associating with him and in the area, can
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the guards know exac@ly where they are in the
neighborhood. So can we get to the point and then
transfer over to the guard?
SG1 I
SG1 I
SG1 I
Yeah, we can do that , I did it only couple other
times. They were successful. I'll just say they
were successfui enough, the information to deem,
there was enough information received so that they
could know where.
#66: Sure.
Okay, this is what I'm saying. Our case information
told them more the locale is. I must have come up
and I want to ask you again. What language did I say
they were speaking?
#66: Arabic. A dark skinned people that speak arabic.
No, it means nothing to me. I mean, psychically at
this point, it means nothing to me.
#BR: You say there is one person there who is speaking a
guttural language.
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SG1 I
Yeah. He's trying to tell me something. May I make
just an observation?
#66: Certainly.
I have a -feeling and I don't want to know a yes or
no, I'm just going to give, please. Just accept as
is now and I'm going to (mumble) until, you know, if
it comes out'. I feel that the person has certain
information in which somebody else gave these people
information and they feel this person has the
information, and he's the one that can give them.
That's all I will say. That's an insight that I have.
#66: It's important. I will tell you something that is
not impor,tant to locate him, but may put you onto the
problem more. When he was taken, he had a suitcase
or a briefcase with -'some stuf f in it that he
shouldn't have had with him. So he was caught with
some material in his,hands. Now, his captors may be
saying to him, tell us more about this, what do you
know about this. It was some sensitive material that
he really shouldn't have been carrying with him, so
he kind of probably feels a little bit threatened by
this material that he had, that's revealing in some
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Okay, because I co-uldn't make sense, you know, I can
see where part of my right side and left side brain
function, I thought maybe it was some else who had
the material and they questioned him about, you know,
all I'm saying is like an American giving the
information, that they have this and so for he is
trapped into this whole thing.
#66: Well, I think that he may have endangered himself by
being caught with this material. You know, he was,
he is a statesman and was on his way to the embassy
to work and had material in his possession that would
not be good to be caught by the enemy with. So this
may be the dilemma you're picking up on.
SG11
SG1 I
Yeah, because I get cold chills from all of that.
#66: Okay. I tell you that, it clears up something here
and really doesn't really pertain to what our
question is right now.
No, I realize that but was something that was
annoying to me, while going through this whole thing,
okay. I was trying to figure out what he was trying
to tell me. You know, did someone squeal on him and,
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that's how he got caught and this is what, the
dilemma is still there, you see the dilemma is still
there. He trying to tell me something and he's
trying to tell me something, apparently that I must
come back here, here meaning, whatever here means, I
don't know whether physically here, but here and this
-thing that there's leak or something, I'm not sure
exactly what he's trying to say.
SG1 I
#66: And again he might be disoriented too.
He might be disoriented too , so you know , you would
know more of that so you'll have to make the
evaluation on the material that's coming through.
#66: Okay, let's try to go beyond his conscious and his
dilemma right now , down to an area where he may know
much more about his situation than he knows at a
conscious level and then if it's possible let's get
to a guard and remember that he may be blind folded.
There is reason to believe that he is blind folded.
So you like the outskirts of Lebanon (Beirut) and
he's been moved twice.
SG1 I
Would you take the tape recorder off the paper? He
was caught here.
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#66: That's correct.
SG1 1 120.
#66: 1 don't know if he can orient with that-
SG1 I No, I'm just going to give you numbers, right. The
number I gave you was 125?
#66: That's correct.
SG1 1 1 2 , let I s look - here. I'm trying to orient this
closely.
These here numbers used for the scale (mumble)
SG1 I Yeah, but I don't know what that means and how it
relates but I believe it does someway. And here's 2
5.
#66:
SG11
Um, um. The number 25?
25. What does that mean over here.
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#66 Well we can look up, now remember you said maybe it
wasn I t 125 , but we could look up down here and we
have a 125 and what's it say?
SG1 I
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SG11
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#66:
#66:
#66:
Is that GH, GADOTA . ....
It says embassy of France.
of France, I'm sorry, of France.
3053.
What does 1 , we have 1 means ALBONK on the center
bank.
Center bank.
Where would the center bank be?
3053.
He's trying to tell me something in the maps.
Think so?
I'm almost sure.
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#66: Here's 30, where's 53?
SG1 1
53 is right here.
So that's close to where he was staying?
53@ I think he was taken right here.
#66:	Yeah, well that's a bank here. The	125, French
	Embassy is interesting, a lot of the,	I was waiting
	for you to say he's speaking french to	me, because an
	awful lot of the people have gotten--	- (end of tape
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SG11	Railroad (mumble) Can I see what that	would 25.
#66:	Okay, that would be 3325.	
SG1 1		
	3325? (mumble) the railroad tracks.	
#66:	You're saying a railroad, a warehouse.	You think the
	number 25 is of importance?	
SG1 I	Is of importance. Put a line over	there, is
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#66: That he said he's near a railroad station, he can
hear, not hear, but he's near a railroad station.
SG1 I I I m just going to deal with that. I want to take
every number with every combination here, We
have the 1 and we took the 2, is slaughterhouse, the
number is 3454.
#66: Number.2 record.
SG11 Obviously that's still the outskirts.
That's the dock area, I believe.
#66: That's the dock area.
SG11 Could he be mistaken that he feels that he's on the
outskirts?
#66: Well, again he disoriented and probably blind
folded. But there are other reports that he is in a,
the word used in the previous report was suburb.
SG1 I
Suburb, yeah that would be okay. I just want to put
all that information, because the way I'm getting it
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the 5, look at the 5.
#66: The singular 5? That's a 3446.
SG1 1 46, 34, here.
#66: The number 5.
SG1 I
What is 5?
Water, tower, water tower.
#66: Maybe it's a water treatment plant. Just because
this doesn I t mean (mumble) , it doesn I t mean it to
some other analyst along the way and it tells me 125--
SG1 I
Yeah, I just want to try and see what it means.
#66: 1 understand, you're trying to figure it out yourself.
SG1 I I'm not trying to figure out, I trying to find out,
what i.n the world that means, it must mean something
to him or something that tie heard, something that, he
is incoherent that's for sure, so I have to you know--
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#66: Have you tried saying back to him, I hear you telling
me 125?
Fie seems to, he keeps repeating it, he kept repeating
to me 125.
#66: Very insistent.
Insistent. As if it were a (mumble) as. if he was
angry, as if he knew my presence was there and that I
wasn't, didn't feel that I was taken that seriously
or just his initiative to give 125 and to the
aspect. Where is 3051? I'm doing something-
SG1 I
Right here.
Could you tell me, where in Lebanon, that the
two were retrieved?
#66: It was in the southern part of Beirut in a
residential house , in southern Beirut , that I s the
only thing I know , southern Beirut , in a residence ,
in southern Beirut.
SG1 I
Now, this man, William Buckley, was taken after the
others had been taken. He was taken alone?
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SG1 I Okay, I just want to make sure, because I don't want
to mistake my--
#66: No, over several months, 6, 8 months they took
several people. William Buckley was,taken on 16th of
March.
SG1 I
The last one.
#66: Yes. Yes, the latest one. As though they were
picking them up at random or something.
SG1 I
Yeah, it had to be. It's my contention, I don't know
who the other m en are, but. still (mumble) into my
psychic experience, psychic mind, there was some kind
of a leak. And I just want to make that for record,
okay.
#66: Okay.
SG11 Would you give me 3248 which is 15?
#66: Right here.
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SG1 I
So that the reverse does not mean anything , it
doesn't go into--
It doesn't match you?
Doesn't match me with what the other-
They don't feel right.
No, they don't feel right to me.
Okay.
I just want , usually, because you said he was
disoriented and I wanted to feel my way around. 21,
a longer, 21 that's it. Apparently I 1 11 stay with
that .
#66: You can tell him you looked at a map and that didn't
make-any sense to you, maybe he'll have some more
information.
Okay. He I s certainly doing his best to give the
information, that's for sure.
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#66: He may be limited. My suggestion is to go beyond his
conscious and then perhaps the guards.
	Yeah. From the	wounds that you,	that will only help
	me again to get	the information in contact. From the
	people that wer	e found and spoke,	the message spoken
	by the guards	and so forth, did	they speak about
	someone with a	guttural language or something?
#66: No, they did not mention anything about that. They
said they were blind folded t1he, whole time and the
only person they remember seeing is the other guy,
the other guy that was retrieved.
SG1 I
And how about the language , did they realize what
language they were speaking?
#66: In the reports that I read, there was no comment made
one way or the other about languages. There were no
comments made about that.
SG1 I
It' s just that I have to get these loose ends
together.
#66: Sure.
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You said, you felt that the guttural language was
Russian?
I don't know, you'll have to remember, you have to
remind me about.
You said you thought that there was russian and the
person that was speaking it was in civilian but would
be in uniform if he were in his home country.
I will leave it stand as it is. All right, let me go
back.
#66:
SG1 I
#66:
There is highway which (mumble) going to this
outskirt, villa, or city or town.
Okay.
Okay. And the place is almost at the end of this
highway, almost at the end, I can't see it further
whether it's destroyed or what, but it is along the
highway and you can go off the highway or what
appeared to be a highway or once was a highway ,
whatever it is, and it does go to this place.
Okay, I understand.
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You understand what that means?
#66: Yes.
So , it does alleviate , I just said , hey , I got in
another bit of information that might lead to, when I
go to the bathroom all kinds of information, believe
me, one of the policeman said why don't you go to the
bathroom 10 times, so that's--
#66: Okay, so what you're saying is it's not in a cluster
of many buildings, it is a residence area that's off
down a road, off the highway. And what was the
descriptive word you used?
SG1 I
The thing here, I'm going down a highway, okay, a
highway, and we're not looking into small towns going
into dirt roads and things.like this, it's a highway
and then we come upon this small suburb place, this
is what I'm trying to say.
SG1 I
#66: All right.
So at least gives us, and I still want to stay up in
that northern part.
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#66: Northern.
Yeah, like he said north something whatever.
Northeast.
Yeah, but I'll stay, but if you know more.
#66: Well, we have many conflicting bits of information
and so we check on many angles.
SG1 I
SG1 I
SG1 I
Needs to be verified. So I don't whether there's a
highway up there or (mumble) but I know that there's
a highway that leads to this place , so this is more
important than the north or whatever I said, okay.
#66: All right.
Because that can be, remember that had came from him
and as you said, I could have gotten the wrong--
#66: Sure, because he's disoriented.
But what I got in the bathroom, that's what I got in
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#66: All right. Good.
SG1 I
I would have liked to go much deeper and much, and as
SG1 I I said to more information can come as I go
along and I'd like work with that.
#66: Okay , I want to give you an address to write to and
then my home phone number.
SG1 I
Okay. I'm not getting paranoic about what I've told
you. I don't know whether you've heard but I've been
approached by different people which I realized were
from, and this has been reported and so forth
(mumble) and --
#66: You want to look at that so that you're not confused.
SG11 Okay. Oh boy. Okay, very good, understood.
#66: Okay.
SG1 I And ah, that's I'd like to talk away from my own.
Can I reverse the charges?
#66: Sure.
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SG1 I And it's a precaution that's been taken also from
other interviews, cause I'm not sure what is
happening. I've said nothing but there's still that
suspicion all along. And it's amazing that I'm
giving a lecture and what has happened is that a lot
of these people approaching me 1which
appears t6 be no ah. . you know what I I m saying and
they appear quite strange in different ways, but that
would raised for question, they would say ah, are you
working for the government or something to this
effect, you know, my psychic, it's n.ot just a --and I
say no I do not and then give them information which
is this information also work (mumble) for a career
going on so to satisfy. And I knew of a person is
not probing because of curiosity, there is a way--
#66: (mumble)
SG1 I And then he says well how come the government is not
using you , since we heard on the air , which is true
that you gave information about something that
SG1A happened I and it was verified. I said well ,
no government has approached. I didn't say anythinq
about, you know, and that pops up in different ways,
other ways pictures are taken of me when I'm walking
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girl and she noticed the person :taking the pictures ,
says look they're taking a picture of us. I said,
well, I didn't want to throw any, you know, she said
no, look at that car and I go out by the car because
I had to play a part and there was a po-laroid camera
in which a picture had been taken.
#66: As a person of your notariety and is as well known as
you are and as public is, obviously ging to attract
attention of the opposition, so that's one reason why
it was an opportune moment for us to get in contact
with you, because you're here on other business. So
when they check into that they going to be confused
about the (mumble).
SG1 I
Another thing I'll, you know, old me, and
where he got the information, I don't know, but he's
warned me, (mumbles) that my life was in danger. And
SG1 I
coming from him he must have some sources so I'm
just--
SG1 I
#66: 1 haven't talked to him about that.
He just made that statement. He says if you're going
to Europe or you're going abroad, if you're going to
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#66: Country travelers are briefed before hand what to do
when asked questions.
The big thing here, I'm just giving you that for your
own security in the work that you're doing, just
bringing you up to date to some of the things ,
because I would like to continue to working with you
whenever you need me.
#66: Okay.
I do come to Washington quite frequently, by the way,
and I'll let you know (mumble) now that we have
established contact.
#66: Yeah, that's a good idea.
You want this tape,
#66: Yeah, it will go off by itself.
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