rip i'm getting a place think of it think of it like a possibility space here's all the moves i need to make here's a place that puts me sort of optimally equally distant from all of those and that's what i mean by a meta-optimal grip that's the analogy now and and i think it's maybe it's not a coincidence that it's an analogy that's actually a state of stillness yes yes as um that that the the murder some somehow there's a merger there of stillness and motion where they they they coexist in that space did you just just as a curiosity when you were formulating your continuum hypothesis was that being done in conjunction with hood's work uh because he has his own form of continuum no the i i mean i i part of it was was suey generous to me and then the convergence argument i found was in newberg newberg in something about how enlightenment changes your brain um uh i think i i i fear i'm misquoting and i forget the second author on the book with him but he actually proposes a cognitive continuum that was the person who i was using as sort of the foil and the contrast i had already proposed in what i published in 2018 the continuum between fluency insight and flow and then when i did when i was starting to do the experimental work on mystical experience i was also seeing evidence that the insight machinery was fundamentally at work yeah yeah i i mean i'd be curious just personally to know sort of what you're at another time because this is just an end but what what you're the i mean the theorists who are trying to sort of explain this thing cognitively and scientifically people like um who was arthur dankman and and who would know those things i'd be curious to know what your thoughts are on them in general and i find their experiments to be to be really to be really great i want to just just before um i mean you're the hoster so you'll you'll bring things to an end but if you'll allow me i i i wrote up a question that i had which which at least i want to put out there um i think it's an important one and and hopeful