kay i'm with you on that um i just want to say that in terms of vanilla ice cream i think that it the reason why we don't need a lot of good supportive evidence for it is because it's just so obvious that vanilla is better i know everything's chocolate is better okay with all due respect you're a priority certainty okay so let's take it that milgram is right we have this balance so we have three things right we so we have basically we we have convergence we have elegance and we have balance and and then the pivot they're balancing on is sort of the you know this optimal gripping kind of coherence i don't mean logical coherence i mean this optimally gripping kind of coherence okay now notice what happens when we when we upset the balance so what do we have what happens when we get a lot of convergence and not much elegance well and you'll see people doing this in scientific articles all the time that's that's triviality triviality is something notice when you accuse somebody of saying something trivial you're not saying they're saying something false in fact you're saying there's that they are saying that that we often say that's a truism as a way of indicating of course that's true who would doubt that but the point you're making is so what that's not that's not insightful that's not opening up anything for me right so and we and so one of the ways we screen things off is we say don't take seriously things that are trivial yeah okay what about the opposite what do i what if i have lots of elegance and very little convergence well that's when things are far-fetched that's when that's why people reject conspiracy theories right because the idea is if you would just accept that the english royal family are actually lizard beings from space look at how you can explain all of their behavior and you can but like is that a trustworthy proposal no so we also reject things because they're far-fetched right and you can see scientists doing that all the time they'll say well that's too far-fetched that's that's beyond the p