es real david lloyd makes case well buddha include buddhists implosion subject subject object distinction either implode outwards sorry explode outwards employed inwards self self developing non duality uh makes really great case think think 'm trying make particulars claim one proposition uh towards one specific interpretive know religious things inevitable think look beneath surface um look tree beyond differences seen great good could make 've made recommendation think 's good 's recommendation 'm going make basis recommendations ultimately 're 're mean john hicks 're facing finite ambiguous data 're making judgments similarity dissimilarity nelson goodman like showed 's algorithm 's ultimately based well relevant thing relevant thing two objects logic logically indefinitely large like similar definitely large dissimilar would want say okay 're 're pointing universals right would say use independent historical convergence argument traditional way 's done aldous huxley perennialism right say 's another way looking universals science cognitive science come right argument 've run argument 've run constrain kind similarities 're looking historical record n't find oh happens almost mystics men ah 's something male well tha