um internalizing teacher finding guru put know history mr system happens time tradition 's something shoved throat must must must guru um 'm going preempt something may answer know 's good empirical evidence benefit transformational journey within sapiential community 's think clear plain maybe even common sense point want perhaps rest case get back fundamental level believe um reality um fundamentally intelligible come optimal grip ultimate grips reality um lead transformative psychological experiences leads us sage seems foundation level able achievable anyone germane reality existence reality human relationship fact need things may help may great guru maybe great community fact need um 'm seeing 'm seeing work 'm yeah 's fair enough mean lesson take 's good 'm also going hold open possibility friend jordan hall likes say next buddha sangha exemplar might community rather individual um clear um 's sense know within christianity distinction jesus individual church body christ purposely blurred towards good end lot cases um want acknowledge 's happening 's something 's happening mystical tradition 's intentional um leadership um trying force community become leader another time okay