e four-year-old something like um typically um right pretty pretty universal fact thing remember n't evolve nature related impersonal order evolved nature actually filled minds predators prey potentially human beings right nature capacity mean people even extended within cognitive science overly reductive account religion religion hyper active agency detector machine wherever 's ambiguous information project agent 's get god um well think plausibly work factor trying reduce religion think really overly reductive nevertheless idea nature think socialized significant enough degree powerfully like expose us perspectives 's want add minds perspectives human think 's one ways debbie paused recording couple seconds um oh technology god limps um um making argument uh nature precisely puts us know plethora minds many non-human actually tremendous capacity uh decenter us also put us flow state kinds things um internalize way um strikes plausible um 's probably going need basic training meta-perspectival ability 're going need way grocking natural environment 's internalizable rather sort chaotic know minds sort like ecology basically 's got something ecologizes world 's internalizable think could make good case incorporated '