'll come back mean um came realization um know sounds fairly shocking like sort grew narrative sort mystical experiences expressed understood discovered 's similarity um uh uh know um religions philosophical traditions get sense much epistemic shock like kind existential shock like sense identity called question um like cause rift community mean n't want trespass confidentialities 'm trying get sense understand understanding understanding experiences uh 're talking even something like political beliefs agree think put us wrong level put us wrong framework um 's slogan stealing culture um agree um think kind things 're talking 've talking talked last time foundational even political level like ontological existential know worldview cognitive cultural grammar level would would would hypothesize people 's empirical evidence support disrupted 's know 're angry frustrated know even passionately like see know ideological conflicts 's 's um well 's uh know sort guardian point uh come precipice despair get kind epistemic shock uh seems uh know portend indicate depth happening level 's happening case um like guess uh n't want spill guts anything like much