deep connection 's third point conversion uh convergence sorry um 've got sort would say mystical pointer 've got sort hixian type argument meta argument 've got argument basically saying well 're getting rise um know clinical therapeutic domain know category transpersonal seems supersede 's intended supersede personal impersonal also seems underlying least aristotelian grammar theism atheism debate 'm wondering think bit trying keep brief um 'm telling well want 'm precluding either 'm demanding even requesting give like final definition god sacred want know yeah open resonance respond land proposal seems know across cultures across religions across different historical periods deep connections non-duality non-theism yeah well 's 's uh 's huge question 's like 's like million dollar question think 's important question approached carefully thankfully um oh sorry hope n't come trying exhaustive complete trying gestural 'm trying give backgrounds feel exactly toy 're gesturing um um mean helps explicate question get another parallel universe could stopped five seconds said know exactly 're 're saying 're 're getting think comes god god language language humans use refer uh ultimate reality 's 's stupid trivial discussion