f disassociation othering literally moves made people absolutely contact blows mind think 's logical necessity leads form questioning um yeah n't think anyone 's gon na uh sort ridicule ideas 's think 's fifth phd 's number n't know know know n't know know two two mentioned discussion uh 's 's always amazing see see sort entirely different unrelated fields conceptually historically exact preciseness nuance exact debates emerge points come keep pointing back like fundamental really logical whole structure mean brings another point um see things like note thank uh resonating um 's three responses although maybe 're one response different aspects one part cognitive scientist says wow whenever find something like like kind universals 're looking 're looking guts cognition 're looking fundamentals intelligibility 's another part uh especially 'm 4e cognitive scientist says yeah cognition n't head intelligibility real relationship cognition world must something world 's also fundamental must something fundamental way world cognition fit together 've trying articulate terms terms think convergent 've arguing one things 'm taking away um call divine call sacred sacred um n't think 's much hangs difference 's personal reasons divine tends connote p